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kit
03-19-2012, 10:32 AM
http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7375


Here is a basic folding brake I made up from some old chain link fencing steel posts that came free. Not pretty but it works well.



http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7378


It is basicly three lenghts of angle, each braced with it's own opposite, the bottom two are back to back with their verticals extending downwards in the middle, these are hinged along their centre line, the right hand one of these in the picture folds upwards to form the bend in the sheet.



http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7380


Here is the top section, note how the vertical lengths of angle are cut and welded with height reduced and a laid back rake to them, there is a section of card inserted to show the position the sheet fits in (yep I didn't have any metal laying around!!!) this is nessasary to get clearence back over the top for a second bend in the same direction as the first.
The vertical bolt has a 10mmm thread and is the sheet hold down / release, there is a semi captive bolt in the frame for it that can move in a slot,the horizontal bolt is a back stop that holds the top rails position when the vertical bolt is loosened it dictates the exact position of the leading edge for the bend. So the top rail can move back and forwards a little in relation to the base rails to adjust the point of contact for the bend.



http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7376


So sheet in, tighten down the vertical bolt. (by hand).



http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7377


Lift up the front section to form the bend. The mechanisum needs to be able to move through more then 90 degrees to account for spring back in the sheet to bend a right angle.



http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7378

Getting it to work well is all about the hinges, they have to be strong and positioned in line with each other at the centre line of the bottom two lengths of angle. What I did was to use a 7/8'' male pin and a coresponding over that size female just bored with a 7/8'' drill, so no need for any great engineered tolerances, I notched out the holes for them in the angle basicaly, the idea being the male welds to one side the female to the other, mark the centre spot of the male on the lathe to act as a positionig reference, if you look at the top hinge in the picture, the male, you can see a strip of steel welded to it that extends back to the left, that has a hole in it that had an 8mm nut welded to it, (that was cut off when I'd done)I clamped the far left end of the strip to the angle with a wrench, then screwed a bolt in and out of the 8mm nut to raise or lower the hinge to the right position, same for the female, (the centre hole showing on that is threaded for a grease nipple, ignore that).
This way you can carefully move the brake through it's working range in a clamped only mode and check everything stays parallel and evenly gapped, adjusting as nessasary. Then weld her up.

So there it is, basic no finger brake facitities, they could be made up with a new top arm setup. I built it to take a 48'' sheet, I'm only bending up to 1.5mm sheet, any heavier then that and you'd need more bracing, I welded on two stubs on the rear each roughly 1/3rd of the length along to bolt it to a frame rather then giving it it's own legs that way she stands on end taking up little space when not in use.

Stretch
03-19-2012, 10:59 AM
That looks great - but if you can... can you post up some larger pictures?

It looks like a good design to follow.

In the designs I've been considering so far I'm a bit worried about the clamping bar...

Stretch
03-22-2012, 11:41 AM
Thanks for doing the bigger pictures.

You say you've got a 48" length bending capacity...

I see that there are two hinges at either end of this length - and you say you can go to 1.5mm thick steel. Do you think that that is the maximum thickness?

I'm kind of thinking how to build mine you see. I really need to bend one and a half meter lengths you see => 60"... using your design I'd need a third hinge in the middle - and hinges under the bending bit (rather than the clamping bit) seems to be a bit tricky to me at the moment.

kit
03-23-2012, 10:02 AM
Yes I would say that is the maximum thickness I'd try, to be honest I would be reluctant to go full width (48'') in 1.5 without triangulating top and bottom rails.
No way a scaled up version of my setup would run to bending 6o''

EDIT at later date. Yes it bends 1.5mm full width, I just did it.

Here's another picture showing the top rail off.

http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=7429

Stretch
03-24-2012, 09:24 AM
Yes I would say that is the maximum thickness I'd try, to be honest I would be reluctant to go full width (48'') in 1.5 without triangulating top and bottom rails.
No way a scaled up version of my setup would run to bending 6o''
OK thanks.

Any suggestions? More hinges? Industrial piano hinge (I've seen them for sale - I don't like the prices).

kit
03-24-2012, 11:59 AM
In order to bend properly the clearence between the componants has to stay constant, to do that the centreline of the hinges has to be on the centre line of the two bottom rails.
Therefore the hinges have to be outboard of the sheet.
If you use a piano hinge or any other kind of central hinge it can't mount in the centre line I described, it would block the sheet.
If you mount the hinge not on the centre line you are wasting your time you will only be able to get it set up to give even half good results on one amount of degrees of bend only.

I am not in any way being rude here, but it sounds like you are heading for the classic rookie mistake most of us have made of thinking if I'm going to the trouble of making a machine may as well go for the maximum capacity,a huge amount of us have fallen down that hole with E wheels and various hammers, no one can over stress the difference in leverage that extra length has, it simply makes the concept unworkable. Fact.
How many times are you going to bend 60''? No one has more of an obsession with building there own machines then me, trust me, pay someone to bend 60''.

Back me up on that statement guys.

jlrussell4
03-24-2012, 12:24 PM
Back me up on that statement guys.


Kit is right. It is amazing the difference even a few inches in the size of a machine makes.








O.K. Kit, send your check or I will take paypal :lol::lol::lol::lol:

oldgoaly
03-24-2012, 12:44 PM
You guys can come over and use my brake it will bend 98.5" not a hair wider! (8' brake)

Stretch
03-24-2012, 12:54 PM
I hear what you are saying - unfortunately I want to design a machine that will do the first job I want it to do. I want to bend a length of 1.4m on 0.8mm thick steel.

I'll look into paying someone to do it for me as you say but here labour rates are pretty stupid - mostly they are go away you %%*^ing stupid Englishman rates! (The recession is over - lots of the companies where I live are too busy drinking coffee)

Dawai
03-24-2012, 01:42 PM
psst..buddy . that is called a tipping wheel.. it can do lengths as long as you want.. just make more passes.. thou I have been known to cut stainless using this method and being too aggressive..

I sometimes make things and need to close up a few more bends.. so.. I tip the ends that won't fold up in the 60" brake, it's like origami in the gutter brake of sequences..the only finger brake I got is a 12" one.

cweed
04-21-2012, 07:55 AM
I built this one out of some scrap stainless. I have access to a waterjet so I decided to cut rib supports since ths is 5' in length. I drilled several holes on both ends in 2-4-6-8-10 and 12 inch centers and then made back up angles so I could use this as a box brake as well. The first one I made worked ok, but I bend 11 gage all the time and the top and lower arms would bend under that stress. The ribbed support (could be simple angle) stopped that from happening.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh144/cweed_bucket/100_2053.jpg


First try without the ribs. This peice worked fine. The bowing was easy to see ina 4' wide piece.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh144/cweed_bucket/100_2051.jpg

Here is the main top angle with ribs before I welded them up.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh144/cweed_bucket/100_2004.jpg

It's primative looking I know but if your brake has the same problem mine did then ribs really work well.