Molasses rust removal

[oldgoaly]

Well I had to pull some things out of the drum, Joel is off at college, the back seemed better so gave it whirl. Here is a pic of the low tech set up.

http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=34&pictureid=5117

pic of the molasses in tank

http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=34&pictureid=5118

A few pics of a Model A visor it's rough! This was the good end....:o

http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=34&pictureid=5121

a couple of pics of the clean end, not it did get sloshed around in the phosphoric acid solution drum, but not long enough or is has weaken quite a bit
http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=34&pictureid=5119

http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=34&pictureid=5120

It flash rusts very fast from rinse to P/A is a minute or so. Normally I would not waste time on a too far gone piece but to help show how it works. There is a smell, not real strong but noticeable. One other safety tip, when standing on a stool to reach the bottom of the tank make sure someone is around to pull you out just in case. you don't want end up on that show 1001 ways to die.... tt;)

[Hotrod1932]

A few pics of a Model A visor it's rough! This was the good end....:o

Terry I'm thinkin rough is being overly kind! :confused: I'm thinkin more along the lines of scrap! :p

Good post my friend does show folks one of the ways to deal with rust. :D

With Joel gone to school ya might want to hook a bungie cord to your belt loops and hook yourself to a cherry picker or such just in case ya go in head first to that barrel :lol:

[Dawai]

(1) You explained "HOW" this process works once before? We found a patent on a rust remover then? which I lost immediately from memory. (that luv was not the only thing that hit me on the head over the years)

(2) I am not sure I can buy Molasses down heah? where do you buy bulk?

(scrap)?? Ha.. Kinda reminds me a chevy Luv truck I scrapped.. I grabbed the front bumper to steady myself as I bent over and it fell "into" my head nearly knocking me out. I lifted one end with the wheel lift, other other with the boom on the wrecker, as it went onto the trailer, it broke like a egg. There was nowhere to ratchet it down onto the trailer. About a hour before, my buddy was wanting it to put a V8 into it cause it "looked good"?

[Carbuilder]

I bought my Molasses at the animal feed store about 4 years ago $20 for 5 gal with local tax still works great. Dilute about 1 part molasses to 6 parts water stir the brew well & throw your parts in hooked to a wire. that way you do not have to go diving. I use a cheap preasure washer to clean off dry with air blower then wipe with metal etch.

[ESjaavik]

I bought molasses a couple of weeks ago to try this. It works. But it seems to be growing mold on the surface of the brew! Is this normal? Should I worry?

I also remember reading somewhere that it should start fermenting making scum. Mine does not. Should I add yeast? Or am I just brain damaged from several years at Rec.Crafts.Brewing? :-)

[oldgoaly]

Einar and David
I think that was Jim Walters out in BC that did how it works, the word I remember is "chelate" (sp???) had to look it up. how it bonded to the iron oxide. I skim about a gallon bucket of funny looking mold off the top in a few weeks time, seems like it wants to skim over quickly then slows down. There is no heat added, was going to roll it outside for the summer....
Ray, what ya mean rough a few passes with high build primer it ready for paint:lol: ;)tt

where I get mine from, easier for the wife to carry a 2.5 gal jug than a 55gal barrel.... http://www.ruralking.com/2-5-gal-molasses.html
if you don't have a rural king or a tractor supply..... you may need to search for a feed store cause it is what they put on feed to make it taste good....

[weldtoride]

I am not sure I can buy Molasses down heah? where do you buy bulk?

I get it at the local feed mill. Ours sells it bulk, bring your own container for large purchase, or they have it pre-packaged in recycled gallon milk jugs. Our feed mill prices go up and down with grain market prices. When I bought molasses last May, it was less than $3 a gallon here in N. Illinois. As stated earlier it's used to make "sweet feed". I can personally attest that horses love it.

If you can't get it down there, I suspect its because the revenuers blocked its sale, (just kidding, but mebbe not?)

It does go bad, but I haven't tried skimming as is OldGoaly's practice, which I will do next batch.

[oldgoaly]

Would that mean buy it in the fall? we are paying for packaging, bringing your container, which is they way I like to get my draft beer, but don't live close to the tavern anymore.... :)Bucket beer!:)
Wonder if there is a bulk distributor in or near Oblong??? we could do a group purchase!

[Hotrod1932]

If you can't get it down there, I suspect its because the revenuers blocked its sale, (just kidding, but mebbe not?)Your darn tootin ya can ferment the stuff!!! Then a coil and can anybody spell RUM!!! :D

C12H22O11 + H2Ohttp://www.citycollegiate.com/arrow_reaction.gif C6H12O6 + C6H12O6

C6H12O6 http://www.citycollegiate.com/arrow_reaction.gifC2H5OH + 2CO2

:lol:

[oldgoaly]

sure I don't like the smell or the taste of rum:mad: will the fumes burn?
I keep think I need a wood-gas system, I have 7 truck loads of wood??? it was 99 today what am I talking firewood for????:confused: must be the cleaners, been experimenting with different detergents in the old crock pot, m/c engine halves. British Villiers 98cc-197cc tt;)

[Hotrod1932]

Hey Terry you bet the vapors will burn hence the term "proof" ;)

I'll search around in my photos some where I have some pictures of a truck that used a wood smoke combustion engine. I was told that this was done in Europe post WWII when there was just no fuel to mention but lots of wood available. First one I ever saw I thought was a steam engine conversion but they were running the engine off of wood smoke!!

Honest !

[oldgoaly]

Wood gas and coal gas are produce when the base material is heated near it's combustion point, I just need a save way to store it or burn it as needed. Heck I got 1/2 cupola made already, I could use the coke to melt cast iron! Just think of the forming heads We could make!!!!

[weldtoride]

I just need a save way to store it or burn it as needed.

I think you are kidding, but I still have plans somewhere that I ordered back in the '70s (when else?) for a "wood gassification" generator. As stated earlier, they were common during WWII in certain parts of the world that were starved for gasoline. A fan forced air thru a burner often mounted on the rear bumper, thru a charcoal fire that was optimally at 900f, and the resultant gas was CO which was then sent to a condensor commonly mounted on the roof of the vehicle, from there it went on as a cooler, denser vapor to the engine.

One phrase from the history portion of the plan set that sticks in my mind was "explosions were common". The literature claimed gasoline engines made about 75% power on wood.

My interest in it back then was to fuel a home power plant. Burning it as needed is a far better idea than storing it. CO is nasty stuff, desperately seeking out extra oxygen molecules.