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mercmad
04-07-2010, 04:28 AM
One thread I was searching for ,but appears lost is the one where the lumina body was put onto a Camaro frame? Anyone know if it was posted elsewhere?

CARS
04-07-2010, 06:09 AM
IIRC, the guy you are looking for is one of those who created the all metal shaping site. I doubt if it will ever be re-constructed here :mad:

anders nørgaard
04-07-2010, 07:01 AM
Chris,

I doubt Joe Andrews had anything to do with creating AMS... he certainly was the one who did the body swap and his son helped him alot. Sorry the thread is in the lost files.

CARS
04-07-2010, 07:48 AM
Chris,

I doubt Joe Andrews had anything to do with creating AMS... he certainly was the one who did the body swap and his son helped him alot. Sorry the thread is in the lost files.


You're right Anders. I couldn't remember who did the swap anymore.

Maybe Joe will re-write the article again.

mercmad
04-07-2010, 02:41 PM
Thanks,Now i remember. It's a great pity the data was lost :( .
To make up the loss here is a link to a chap in the UK who does a similar thing with Brit cars.:D
http://www.ourcustoms.co.uk/5.html

clayton t
04-07-2010, 05:01 PM
Mercmad

thanks for posting that site, I've been looking for something like that for awhile. What's your project? I've got a 71 2 door Merc and a 94 4 door Merc that I'm going to swap over......once I figure out how to do it. It's a bit scary these swaps, I'd hate to wreck 2 good cars.

Clayton

mercmad
04-07-2010, 08:04 PM
Clayton,That is what I intend to do too!. my coupe is a 1964 mercedes 220SE which is fairly straight and complete but the floor is rotten with salt damaged sheet metal.My donor car is a W126 420 SEL ,It's been done before by Autoschmiede in Germany but there is very little info about how they do it.
From what i see,they use the later cars cowl ,front chassis section and rear floor so the entire suspension etc can be used. I've gathered all the bits including both cars but i am finishing a couple of other resto's before I start.
i have a few pictures of the project as it sits at the moment.
http://picasaweb.google.com.au/mercmad6.3/MercedesW111220SECoupe?authkey=Gv1sRgCMzuiL24iteAC A

PS fellow Kiwi here too, :-)

clayton t
04-07-2010, 10:46 PM
Mercmad, your ones a bit classier than mine, those old coupes are worth good money here. Must be worth some money in the States too.

My coupe is a 114 250CE, body is in great condition but the floors are rotten. I've checked out a few of these here, all the same, rotten floors. Originally I was going to make new floors and do an engine transplant as my running gear is stuffed. I was on the look out for a 24v merc motor and trans but got a whole car for the right price. It's a 124 E280 in great condition, no rust and everything works. I'm using it as a daily driver until I work out how to do this conversion.

I changed my mind about just a running gear conversion when I realised I could have all the modern gear the 124 has if I use the whole floorpan.

I'd be interested to know your plan of attack, I'm still thinking it through.

Your donor looks like a good one and I see you have a few more projects lined up. Where are you from?

Clayton

mercmad
04-07-2010, 11:09 PM
I'm in Australia but I just got the coupe from the USA (Tenn) where i bought it a few years back.
The W124 is the way to go.
I have been advising a guy on the best way to install a AMG V6 into a coupe like mine and after i spent some time under my own W124 (E300) I realized that the diff in those is perfect for doing a swap job with. He now has a AMG coupe with ABS,ESP and airmatic suspension. :cool:
Your best bet would be to get ahold of the Mercedes EPC (electronic parts catalogue) and the easiest way to get it is to join your local mercedes club branch. You then get a silver card which gives you free access to the EPC. Using the EPC you can then see how the floor panels are made ,and how the cowl section is formed.
'I have owned a lot of W114's and god knows how many i have worked on over the years so you could do as i intend to go and that is,remove the firewall and down each side in front of the A pillar.At the same time remove the W114 inner guards and front chassis legs that support the front axle assembly .
cut the floor out along the sills on each side to the rear bulkhead behind the rear seat, Remove the whole boot floor and the wheel houses leaving the rear panel .
Before doing this of course, do as the guy in pommy land did,and weld in some square tube to brace everything to keep the body square.

Next step is to do the same with the W124 leaving the bottom of the windsheild area to retain the single blade wiper and possibly cut a bit extra around the sides of cowl to detemine the shape. From memory they are very similar in design (W114 and W124) .
leave the inner guards in place and the wheel houses on the rear .
The pommy guy has made a frame to go under his jag floor pan. i suggest you make one of those first to support your floor pan before removing the roof structure.
This will keep your floor nice and square and prevent twisting etc. I intend to do the same but as I have to shorten the wheel base 200 mm I will incorporate sliding pinch weld clamps so I can move the back part forward. And hopefully keep everything in line without too much work. I would also suggest leaving the inner W124 sills and just use outer W114 sills or make substitute panels to mate the two together.
Once you have your body and floor pan ready to mate together,the real Metal bashing begins :D
Incidentally the first i had seen of this was mates 1956 mainline ute on a Oz Falcon floor pan ....with falcon six power...LOL!

clayton t
04-08-2010, 03:53 AM
I'm glad you know these mercs, these are the only ones I've ever owned so don't know much about them. I'll have a good look at what you've explained, it sounds straight forward but a ton of work of course.

One thing I wasn't too sure on is the type of coatings on the W124, is any of it galvanised or coated with something that will make welding difficult?

Are these body swaps difficult to get certified in Oz or can you keep it registered as the later model car?

Clayton

mercmad
04-08-2010, 04:48 AM
I've never found evidence of galvanizing on W124's just that PVC undercoat they have .W114's have it too and the best substitute is either Wurths Body shutz or Rhino bedliner.
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Many laws around the world where modifications have to be inspected got their birth in Australia,the New socialist nanny state.
I have to submit my plans for the job in detail to the local transport department and get their approval .XXXX
Once the Application is recieved and approved ,the job can proceed .When finished,the car is inspected and a further fee is charged .XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. :D:D.
This is better than 20 years ago when Zero modifications were allowed on any cars although it went on secretly with all sorts of subterfuge .
Once the inspection is approved ,the car must then be inspected for roadworthyness and a further fee is chasrged for this. Then the car must be registered and for this privilage you pay around $1000 per year.

When i left NZ ,I paid $5 per year for car registration every June at the post office and got a warrent of fitness every six months for a cost of a dozen beer ($4.50) .
Modifications were anything we could do ,mostly V8's into old english cars like Anglias and morris's ,even a Ford thames truck with a studebaker V8 once ...:D
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anders nørgaard
04-08-2010, 07:03 AM
Mercmad,

I think removing the political statements from you post would be a real good idea... or I'll have to moderate it!

Just a small piece of friendly advice ;)

On Edit: Political content in post above removed!

CARS
04-08-2010, 08:18 AM
You guys be sure to take a lot of pics when doing your body swaps and start a thread on your builds.

clayton t
04-08-2010, 01:44 PM
Then the car must be registered and for this privilage you pay around $1000 per year.


Is that for real? It'd sure stop you owning 4 or 5 cars.

We're about 1/4 of that in NZ.

Fees here for modified cars are on a fixed scale. I have a scratch built car part way through, there's inspections for each build stage, $65 a time, I think the total is about $700. A body swap is probably 1/2 that cost but have to look into it further.

I'm sure Oz has the toughest rules in the world, some of them don't make sense. Yes I can see why industry would have a vested interest in keeping it that way.

Clayton

clayton t
04-08-2010, 01:45 PM
You guys be sure to take a lot of pics when doing your body swaps and start a thread on your builds.

Will do Chris, I wont be starting until later in the year, have a few projects to get done first.

Clayton

mercmad
04-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Mercmad,

I think removing the political statements from you post would be a real good idea... or I'll have to moderate it!

Just a small piece of friendly advice ;)
Anders,I appreciate your concern,but as I hadn't made a comment about a particular political party ,leader or what ever based on my own opinion that may inflame some people ,I am simply stating a fact. And that fact is ,As any Australian Car enthusiast will endorse, Oz has the most stifling legislation in place bar none for a 'western democracy' and that has prevented a lot of Automobile engineering (as an example) to progress .
Formula 1 fans will recall the recent arrest of lewis Hamilton and the Subsequent comments of his fellow race driver,Mark Webers statement to the press as an example of how hard it is for us to do both our work and follow our hobbies in general.
''It's a great country, but we've got to be responsible for our actions and it's certainly a bloody nanny state when it comes to what we can do. Lewis has found out very quickly," Webber said.

''I think we've got to read an instruction book when we get out of bed - what we can do and what we can't do ... put a yellow vest on and all that sort of stuff.

"It pisses me off coming back here, to be honest."

CARS
04-08-2010, 02:33 PM
I don't think you said anything wrong mercmad. I just think by not even getting close to politics it makes it much easier on the moderators.

If they give an inch, eventually someone will take a mile ;)

Joe Andrews
11-25-2010, 05:44 AM
I know I'm like 10 months late on answering this but noone sent me a p.m. asking if I had saved the Build. I thought about copy pasting it back here, but there are so many pictures in the thread it would take a Long time to do.

For those Interested in the Build I started with 2 Cars, a 92' Chevy Lumina Z34 and a 98' WS6.

Here is a Link to the Build on LS1.com http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71662 (http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71662)