metal protection

[BORNLUCKY]

I recently moved to the mid west and my project camaro is being stored in a covered garage. As to protect the metal I sprayed it with cosmoline, but I ran out . I then sprayed the rest with WD40. My question is will this treatment hurt my future paint idea? I understand that cosmoline removes with minernal sprirts, what about the WD 40?

[Hairy-Neil]

I recently moved to the mid west and my project camaro is being stored in a covered garage. As to protect the metal I sprayed it with cosmoline, but I ran out . I then sprayed the rest with WD40. My question is will this treatment hurt my future paint idea? I understand that cosmoline removes with minernal sprirts, what about the WD 40?

You might have a problem with silicone when you come to paint it, particularly around seams.

[jlrussell4]

Hi ...........,

WD40 won't keep rust away very long. I have found a product at hardware stores called TC-11. It keeps my long stalled wagon project :( rust free for months. It cleans up with the purple parts cleaners (their recommendation). I follow that with either acetone or laquer thinner before welding - I haven't tried painting yet.

http://www.tc-11.com/

[FriarTuck]

Hi Jim, that stuff looks like a pretty effective coating. I'm going to see if I can find it locally, and give it a try. Thanks for the heads up.

Tuck

[KustomsRus]

Bornlucky, You may not be too lucky with the WD-40, I have had problems with it when it comes to painting time. Hope someone comes up with a possible fix for you. I scrubbed it down good with wax and grease remover, soap and water, lacquer thinner and changed cloths (paper Shop towels) often and STILL had troubles.

[Ernie Ferrucci]

I recently moved to the mid west and my project camaro is being stored in a covered garage. As to protect the metal I sprayed it with cosmoline, but I ran out . I then sprayed the rest with WD40. My question is will this treatment hurt my future paint idea? I understand that cosmoline removes with minernal sprirts, what about the WD 40?
The can does not say what is in WD-40 but I don't believe it contains silicone. It does have a lot of solvent in the formula and will not prevent rust for very long. The solvent evaporates and the remaining oil isn't much. I have removed it from raw metal with mineral spirits or naphtha without later paint problems. Had it contained silicone (something I refuse to even have in my shop), I would have had big fisheye problems while trying to paint.

[Ernie Ferrucci]

Bornlucky, You may not be too lucky with the WD-40, I have had problems with it when it comes to painting time. Hope someone comes up with a possible fix for you. I scrubbed it down good with wax and grease remover, soap and water, lacquer thinner and changed cloths (paper Shop towels) often and STILL had troubles.
Hi Jerry
I guess we were posting replies at the same time. May be that I was lucky?:o :lol: What paint problems did you have? I have had huge problems from silicone, and DOT 5 brake fluid (also silicone), very difficult to remove. I don't want to steer Bornlucky wrong but the Wd-40 is already on his metalwork. Let's see if anyone else posts a few more opinions.

[BORNLUCKY]

I logged onto the WD40 web site and read their MSDS sheet. There are no silicones in their product. So, I guess a very good clening with a wax and grease remover should do the job.
I would like to thank all for your help. :

[KustomsRus]

Ernie, and Bornlucky--------I think I just suffered from a "senior moment"!!!!
I know what WD-40 is BUT, I think my problem was from Armour-All. My problem was on a hood that had small crazing on it and one of the shop guys used armour-all to make it look good on the car lot---it didn't last of coarse and I had to paint it, what a mess. Dang I hate getting old, memory is another thing that goes :>( Sorry for the wrong info-----maybe you'll be lucky afterall!!!!!

[Randy Ferguson]

When all else fails, use Bleech-Wite. That stuff will remove the even the worst fish-eye causing agents. It's never failed me.




Well.....except that time I used WD-40 as a rust inhibitor:lol:

[Tisdelski]

hi randy,

what are you using for rust prevention?

gary

[jlrussell4]

When all else fails, use Bleech-Wite. That stuff will remove the even the worst fish-eye causing agents. It's never failed me.





Thanks, Randy. That's a great tip. :idea:

[Bondo Billy]

It seems like I got some patch panels back befor they the EDP prime, and they were covered with a wd 40 type oil that cleaned up easily. I like this place u guys are having fun.

[Dutch Comstock]

WD-40 is not a good metal rust protector as it is made to mix with water so that any moisture getting next to it will flow through it and deposit itself on the metal and as there is very little actual oil in WD-40 there is hardly any surface protection for long and then the moisture will start rusting the metal. The cosmoline is excellent but is a lot of work to clean.Several of the phosphuric acid metal cleaners will create a rust free surface for a long time.
one of te best ways is to coat with a good epoxy primer like the one Southern Ureathanes sells and you wont have a problem and does not need cleasnup when you are ready to start work again. Dutch

[tetdoeuf]

Has anybody used Gibbs (http://www.roadsters.com/gibbs/)?

[Butch Duke]

Randy
what is bleech wite? I have never heard of it. Is it just ordnary bleech from the store? But then it is only in a rare blue moon that I have any fish eye problems at all!!!!!
Butch

[Ernie Ferrucci]

Hi Butch
I think he meant Westley's bleche-wite, the stuff they sell to clean white wall tires. But he was pulling our chain about the WD-40:lol: .

[Butch Duke]

Hi Ernie
I did get the part about wd-40. But I still would like to know what he was refering to though.
Butch duke

[Tisdelski]

hi tetdoeuf,

we use real names here, makes it a little more friendly.

welcome to metalmeet.

i just read about gibbs over on the hamb and it looks like something i`ll have to try.



gary

[jvo]

Randy, Randy, Randy, where have we run across you before?????? Oh yeah, you used to post on this site right? Just kidding, you must be a busy fella, we don't hear from you much anymore. I just have to challenge you on the Bleach-Wite that you mention. I have one application that I doubt it would have helped. I installed a new fiberglass front end on one of my old Kenworth trucks years back, ( I sold it in 1986, so it was before that). I had a friend of mine who was working with us as a truck driver, but he was a professional body man and painter, so I paid him to paint the front end for me. We were working away in the shop that I rented space in, and he was painting away, and putting in fish-eye remover of some sort, (stuff that I don't know anything about) and he was swearing a lot. No matter how much fish-eye remover he put in, he couldn't get them to go away. He was cursing that there must be too much oil in the air in the shop or something, then he asked if the air hose that was coming to the gun had been used for air tools or anything, and I replied yes, it quite likely had been used that way. So, (this was a big shop), we walked over to the other side of the shop, where the air line originated, and found that the air line was hooked up to an in-line oiler for air tools and such. The guy I rented space from had installed this in-line oiler and I had no idea it was there. Man, was my buddy ever steamed at me. I told him it was no big deal, as we were painting a rough and tough oilfield work truck, so a few fish eyes in the paint was nothing to worry about. True story, just for the sake of wasting some of your time. John V.O.

[gator 1]

No mater what you do your in for some extra work. My thoughts lean to a steam cleaner and a good etching primer. Just my thought as steam will breakdown and remove most grease and oil with some scrubbing along the way..Gator

[tdoty]

Ah, but, John, you don't add the Blech White to the paint, it's a surface cleaner to prevent fisheyes from oil already on the surface :) Adding your own oil as you paint is not covered under surface prep :)

Funny stuff! Sounds like something my employer would design into a paint system! :lol:

Tim D.

[alloyspec]

I have used the Gibbs myself, and love it. I haven't tried to paint over it though. I have sprayed it on several 4130 frames I have repaired so they wouldn't rust before they were picked up. Nobody has compained about paint not sticking. I now use it to spray down my lathes and mills after using them as I can then let them sit for months if I don't need them, and they don't rust or discolor like several other things I have tried. My shop is an insulated steel building and seems to sweat alot. I should prabably look into a dehumidifier. I do buy it by the case to make the price more reasonable per can.
Alan