to pmax or not to pmax

[frank luten]

Hi all,

From the moment my shop bought it's Fokker Eckold I've been wanting something like it for myself.
As F.E.s are expensive and far between I've started looking at other machines.
I'm now looking into buying a pullmax P1.
Googeling did'nt give me much info on size ,capacity, adjustability and such.
Does anyone have one, wat are the limitations?(O.K. it's smaller than a P9:D )

Also what to check before buying besides alignment of toolholders, slop in ram and condition of motor?

thanks Frank

[Spy]

Frank op marktplaats +-- 200 /250 euro Emiel.

[frank luten]

Emiel ,
Ik ga dinsdag bij de P1 op marktplaats kijken .
Frank

[frank luten]

Ben,

thanks for email
Frank

[raferguson]

I don't read Dutch, but I thought I saw a reference to 200 - 250 euros. I don't know of anything similar to a Pullmax with that price, so I must have misunderstood. Perhaps someone could post a translation.

Richard

[anders nørgaard]

I don't read Dutch, but I thought I saw a reference to 200 - 250 euros. I don't know of anything similar to a Pullmax with that price, so I must have misunderstood. Perhaps someone could post a translation.

Richard

Hi Richard,
I don't read much Dutch either http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif but from Spy's post, it looks like you should be able to buy a P1 on the Dutch flee market for a prize between 200 and 250 € :o :o :o


Emiel ,
Ik ga dinsdag bij de P1 op marktplaats kijken .
Frank


And then (I guess) Frank told Emiel that he would check out the flee market for a P1 next tuesdayhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[anders nørgaard]

Marc wrote:


This said, if I could only find a cheap Eckold :D :D :D (with all the tools that is), that would be an entirely different story.

Just my humble opinion, ready to get shot by all you pullmax lovers....:D ,


Marc.

Hi Marc,
What's so special about an Eckold compared to a Pullmax?

I don't shoot anybody http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Boogiemanz1]

Hi Marc, I would suggest you check out the pullmax a little closer before you condemn it. They shear, cut circles, flange edges, cut slots, holes, louver, shrink with thumbnail dies, and by making simple dies you can form beads, character lines and numerous other shapes. I think there are a few things there that the Ekold cannot do. Where the Ekold really shines is shrinking in the middle of a panel. My P-3 has a 42" throat.

They are two different types of machine, designed for different purposes. I find mine very useful........john

[jvo]

I'm sure that Emile and Ben (and the rest of the Dutchmen) will get a chuckle out of this translation, but here goes anyway. I find that most languages are not really that different, if you take the the words for the numbers one through ten, for example and compare the pronunciation and spelling, there's really only a few letters that are different, and the words do sound somewhat similar.

Ik (I), ga (go), dinsdag (I forget which day 'dag' of the week that is), bij (by or go to), de (the), P1 (obviously the machine), op (to), marktplaats (marketplace), kijken (to look).

[anders nørgaard]

I'm sure that Emile and Ben (and the rest of the Dutchmen) will get a chuckle out of this translation, but here goes anyway. I find that most languages are not really that different, if you take the the words for the numbers one through ten, for example and compare the pronunciation and spelling, there's really only a few letters that are different, and the words do sound somewhat similar.

Ik (I), ga (go), dinsdag (I forget which day 'dag' of the week that is), bij (by or go to), de (the), P1 (obviously the machine), op (to), marktplaats (marketplace), kijken (to look).

Hi John,
You're righthttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif
Dutch is a "mix" of Danish, English and German http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif than you add a few j's, a's and r's and it is Dutch :lol: http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

dinsdag = dienstag = tirsdag = tuesday

[frank luten]

OK Anders

the danes,english , germans ,and not to forget the french all borrowed some dutch for themselves !:lol:

John(used to be Jan! ) de vertaling klopt best wel.

Marc The eckold shrink and stretch dies work great,but they are flat.
So you can only shrink at the edge of a panel.
The thumbnail dies let you form a radius .
I would go for an eckold if I had money.
I don't think there is anything you can do on a pullmax/nibbler /whatever ,you couldn't do on a eckold of the same size.
So, pullmaxes are cheap, I have some space and I'm going for a p1 i hope.


Frank

[anders nørgaard]

OK Anders

the danes,english , germans ,and not to forget the french all borrowed some dutch for themselves !:lol:

John(used to be Jan! ) de vertaling klopt best wel.

Marc The eckold shrink and stretch dies work great,but they are flat.
So you can only shrink at the edge of a panel.
The thumbnail dies let you form a radius .
I would go for an eckold if I had money.
I don't think there is anything you can do on a pullmax/nibbler /whatever ,you couldn't do on a eckold of the same size.
So, pullmaxes are cheap, I have some space and I'm going for a p1 i hope.



Frank

Yeah Frank,
I think you're right! We did have some "European Language Swap Meets" during time :lol: :lol:

[frank luten]

Hi Marc,

I know,but at 765+170 kgs it's to heavy for me.:(
The P1 should be about 400 kgs. I can just handle that.
Pity,the p5 seems to be a more versitile machine.

Groeten Frank

[Boogiemanz1]

I agree with al of that Marc.....................john

[frank luten]

Looked over the P1 today .
looked reasonable,but no extra tools and no guides.
Price was up to €300 and the seller wouldn't let me run it.
So I think I'll pass on it,pity it's the right size for me.

Frank

[Kerry Pinkerton]

Frank, that sounds pretty cheap, even without tooling. Does it have the upper and lower tool holders? Tooling is easy to make except for thumbnail dies and even them if you're patient.

Why wouldn't he let you run it? That would be my concern. The only reason I can think of is something is wrong with it. If he doesn't have the right power, you could get an agreement that you could return it within 10 days or something...

[docauto]

being that inexpensive, use the structure and make a louver press out of it!

Dave

[Morrisminor]

The other big advantage of a Pullmax/Trumpf/Nibbler etc is that they are available used at a decent or even low price. I'd say the chance of finding an used Eckold machine at a low price is close to zero (I'm sure someone here has done it).

Even down here in New Zealand I bought a Nibbler Medium on-line for a decent price and have used it for shearing (a lot) and made a couple of different beading and stepping dies so far. It certainly isn't the be-all and end-all for metalshaping but I find it a useable, extendable (by making new die sets), and affordable tool.

I'd love a Kraftformer in my shop but I don't think it is likely!

Regards, Trev.

[frank luten]

Went to look at another P1 last week. The guy let me run it,seemed ok but for bearing noise.

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/pullmax_p1_001.jpg (http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16699&size=big&cat=3282)

So now I´m the owner of a pullmax P1.

Anyone else have one?
The lower tool adjusting seems pretty primitive, any options?

As I cannot stand bearing noise and leaky seals in electric tools:

http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/pullmax_p1_011.jpg (http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16703&size=big&cat=3282)


http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/data/500/medium/pullmax_p1_013.jpg (http://www.metalmeet.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16701&size=big&cat=3282)

A visit to the SKF shop will fix it.

Prettige Pasen
Frank

[edwardd_]

Frank,

Nice looking. I know you will get a lot of responses regarding tooling etc.

Just remember, the Pullmax looks so lonely. It need a twin.:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[frank luten]

I've got lots of junk so I don't think it will be lonely;) .

Don't know about tooling 13 mm square seems pretty small .

Frank

[Kerry Pinkerton]

Anyone else have one?
The lower tool adjusting seems pretty primitive, any options?

As I cannot stand bearing noise and leaky seals in electric tools:

Prettige Pasen
Frank

Congrats Frank. I've seen a P2 (Clay Cook has one in his mobile showroom) but I've never seen a P1. Since you're not going to shear 1/4" plate with it, it will probably do everything you want sheetmetal wise:lol: :lol: :lol: .

Leaky seals...:roll: Humm. I thought Pullmaxes were supposed to lubricate the floor. Isn't that what kitty litter is for? The good news is that my floor doesn't rust under the Pmax.:lol: :lol:

[frank luten]

Kerry,

My floors are at an angle(that's what you get when living just behind the seadike.)
I don't want them too oiled up,might end up sliding out the door.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Frank

[Boogiemanz1]

I think Norton has a P-1, but haven't heard from him for a while.....john

[frank luten]

Cleaned up the parts today, was surprised about the UNC threads in spite of the metric inhex heads.

Getting new seals and bearings tomorrow.

Frank

[Gene_Olson]

Leaky seals...:roll: Humm. I thought Pullmaxes were supposed to lubricate the floor. Isn't that what kitty litter is for? The good news is that my floor doesn't rust under the Pmax.:lol: :lol:
Yeah, Kerry, I thought that was an auto tracking feature for the E-wheel.
The built in oiler makes it so much easier to see your wheeling pattern. :evil:

[Boogiemanz1]

Gene, I guess I'm going to have to move my wheel a lot closer to the Pullmax.......:D ............john

[tdoty]

John, Norton's machine is actually a Heller that is apparently a direct knock-off of a P-1. More info here: http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2292

Nice score Frank! Wish my garage could swallow one of those ......... wish my budget could too :D !

Tim D.

[frank luten]

Tim

300 euros,shipping incuded ,right om budget for me.
I'm lucky to have bought my place before housing prices went crazy some years ago.Couldn't afford it now.

The P1 looks a lot like the Heller, but for the motor mounting.
The P1 is coming together again.Just waiting for one last seal and one BSF 1/2 bolt. Bolt may cost more than bearings and seals .Still have to find/borrow BSF 1/2 tap and die set .
Our paint shop has mixed some paint in the correct color.
Will try to get it running by next week.:D
Frank