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11-17-2005, 10:14 AM
Babelfish translates lederstanze from German as Leather Dance.
It had no comment on it when I suggested it might be Dutch.
So What is it?
11-17-2005, 10:37 AM
Tortilla press?? Waffle machine? Hard to even make an educated guess here!
11-17-2005, 10:45 AM
i think it is a leather press to cut out thick leather for horse saddles or
shoes, they have a die that has the shape of what they have to cut ,
these dies are actually a kinda frame that is sharp ,the machine runs one cycle
and pushes the die true the leather,the "anvill" is from a soft material because otherwise you damage the cutting die.
The link below shows how the dies look like
11-17-2005, 11:37 AM
I think they call that a steel rule die.
11-17-2005, 11:44 AM
the machines are typically called a 'Clicker' and are quite useful!
11-17-2005, 12:43 PM
Lederstanze translates to english as Leatherpress as a cutting device.
11-17-2005, 12:45 PM
This is an old leather punch machine. Stanzeisen is the Co. Name. Lederstanze in German means "leather punch". I guess it was used for die cutting leather for saddles, boots, and even hats. I don't think you can classify this as a "clicker" machine, because a "clicker" machine is usually electro-magnetic.(when power is supplied, CLICK ie. tattoo machine)
11-17-2005, 02:46 PM
ive seen 20 or 30 different 'clickers' over the years , all were mechanical or hydralic
11-17-2005, 02:48 PM
Clicker press, die cutter, actually there is a technical name for them that I'm too lazy to go into the other room and look up :D.
11-17-2005, 08:01 PM
I for sure cant tell you what it is, but it looks like it would make a good frame for a English Wheel.
11-19-2005, 11:54 AM
As far as I have been able to find out, Ben is spot on as usual. They seem to have been used for stamping out shoe soles and the like out of thick leather using steel knife dies.
IMHO, they certainly show some potential for metalworking applications, and best of all, with a bit of luck they can be found dead cheap.
Maybe it is worthwhile for some of you to know these are around so you can keep a eye out for one of these.
Of course, as usual, they will require quite some modification to get them set up for metalworking.
I went today to investigate the one I got a lead on, and this is what I found.
At 85 dollars, I decided it was worthwhile to load it on my trailer and I will stick it in a corner of my workshop (if I ever manage to get it off the trailer) untill I will have learned how to play the guitarhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif.
Maybe my dream of planishing using a slow fixed stroke at high load (less noise) instead of the usual high frequency hammering with a flying weight will come true one day if I ever get around to modifying this thing and get it setup.
According to the Eckold product info I have found, it seems that to pressing instead of hammering would require 60 kN (6 tonnes) of force to work (shape and planish) 1.5 mm steel.
These presses are the only non-Eckold thing I have come across that might have this load potential with a reasonable throat size. (A Pullmax certainly hasn't that capability, load capability wise that is).
Maybe I'll end up using it as an ewheel frame (a very stiff one, so i will probably need some spring washers to give it some flexibilityhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif), but my more conventional wheel is coming along slowly but steadily (I found some not too expensive 5x5x0.43 square tubing) so I think I will keep on going on the welded up frame route for the wheel.
To be able to dream about planishing without driving the neighbours (and myself) nuts is certainly worth 85 dollars to me.
To get this thing working would be even better, but I guess it's no secret I have more ideas than enegry and time to realise them.(Haven't we all here at metalmeet??)http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
11-19-2005, 12:23 PM
For $85, you can't go wrong!
I would have bought it myself!
11-19-2005, 07:13 PM
the units like it usually available in the USA are quite different in that the bottom has a large table and the upper section swings left and right to cut a larger area. While much better for leather (and thin sheet metal!) it would not be anywhere as nice for a metal forming application.
that machine is dam nice, the compairable machine here is more like $1200 and up.
why make it a wheel? its aready a resipricating hammer. You could lathe turn a step pulley where the flywheel is and have one hell of a nice machine at an amazing price..That flywheel looks compairable in size to my 12-15 ton punch press so I bet it is more powerful then you think
you might want to consider having the flywheel checked for balance before trying to run it at higher speed, but it sure looks good to me
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