Seminars at MM06

[gator 1]

Well now that im home i will start this thread. What seminars would everyone like to see at mm06. I will keep a running tally and line up instructors for the seminars.

DONT LAUGH, METALMEET 06 IS ONLY ABOUT 50 WEEKS AWAY...Gator

[gator 1]

110 views and no suggestions for seminars. I have a hard time beliveing we covered them all at MM5.I guess every ones just shy so i will start of..'

Tig welding
shrinking disk
Hammer and dolly

If intrested i will do a sheetmetal layout class agian.

I got the ball rolling now its your turn...Gator

[underdog57]

Have to have metal shaping 101 , very well done

how about metal shaping 202 or a part 2

Hand body tools slappers dolly etc

lead work

layout was very good , should be done again

O/A welding , mig and tig .

power hammer

buck building

weld planishing

hammer forming

casting / mold making .I see hydroforming was mentioned ...

stainless trim restoration,inc welding SS and Alum...

primers , and paint , air brushing

flexible patterns , but we dove into that right away.But include..
Advanced metal shaping , reverse curves etc . Like a jag fender .How to read when to stretch or shrink ...

Paintless dent repair was neat

Any seminars that would show the various tools and process to build sheet metal body parts . with out having to invest big money ...

Thanks
Bob

[jvo]

Gator, I appreciated your layout seminar. Now I know why my fuel tank corners ended up being NOT square. I measured very carefully, and just like you explained, the last bend was quite a ways out. Thanks. John V.O.

[Gonejunking]

I will be doing the molding/casting/forging demo. Got a few guy's willing to bring the heavy stuff, so I don't have to try and get it thru the airport screener's. I just got the poly mat'l, so I will be casting the thumbnail die's in poly this weekend. I will post the x y coordenates for the 2 mounting holes, so anyone can make tool holder's in advance.

What I would like to do is have Tim, or someone else make a small hammer, then I will give a demo on molding and casting, cast some poly, or aluminum thumbnail dies, then have them mounted on the hammer, so everyone that cast some die's can follow thru and see how they work. Also how to modify the mold's to change the die's profile.

On the forging side, I'll try and show how to make hammer's, and other tools, or what ever anyone want's.

Open to suggestion's, what do you want to see?

[Bob Baisden]

This may be a little off topic. But could someone get us an invite to the cool fab shops in Indy? I would like to see Kurtis sprint car shop, etc.

Bob

[Avalonjr]

I missed Gators layout seminar. I hope you do it again in 06.

The previous suggestions pretty much covered my list. I'd like to add a seminar on TIG "setup" as opposed to just tig welding. It is one thing to take the torch that someone else has setup and push a puddle, but I find it is a whole different game in setting up the torch properly. There is a lot of small details that seem to be understood by others and forgotten by me.

At MM05 I used the Lincoln slide rule for setting up the torch to weld aluminum. I didn't get the job done correctly since the puddle was like jello with no surface tension. Mike got me straightened out with a ball on the tip and some different settings. I could weld fine with his settings. The machine even sounded different.

It would seem to be a simple thing, but one that I get wrong routinely. It would make me a better welder if I understood the hows and whys, rather than it just being a memory excercise.

[Kerry Pinkerton]

I'll probably learn enough to do a 102 or perhaps a 201 seminar next year. We got a little long anyway so maybe we'll get more structured and break them up into objectives and results.

Also want to see some blacksmith seminars of several kinds, including tool building such as slappers. Backyard heat treating. I wish someone locally had a Mill and Lathe, it'd be great to have someone (like Bennett) do some machine work 101 stuff. When he was at my shop, Bob Basiden and I were just in heaven with all the tips and tricks he showed us.

[Richard K]

I enjoyed the 2 1/2 days I spent at MM05. Just was all the time I could squeeze out.

I will definately be at the whole event next year. I would be happy to do a seminar on shrink dies. How to fabricate them, setup and using.

Also could do a set of lessons on reciprocating machine fabricating and power hammer work.

[gator 1]

Great ideas guys, lets keep them comming..Gator

[jvo]

Here's another one. How about if we had a seminar on the English language? Some of them fellers from the South, I have a hard time understanding. Some of them fellers from unmentioned states in the Northeast, I have an equally hard time understanding. Perhaps we could find a common language we could all understand. What do you think of that idea, EH? John V.O.

[tdoty]

Jeffrey, I should most definitely have a little reciprocating machine for MM06! A set of cast dies would be pretty neat too!

I didn't attend the molding and casting seminar, since I have a bit of experience with urethane and resin casting .................... guess I should have gone anyway, huh?

Give me some idea of the height of the dies and the hole coordinates and I'll do what I can to make up some appropriate toolholders for them.

I'd like to see a "Practical Dent Repair" seminar. It's easy to explain it, but seeing the techniques applied to real world dents and parts would likely be quite helpful. Randy said he would do it, but finding the time to fit another seminar into the schedule just wasn't quite there.

Tim D.

[1969robinhood]

Gator,
there are lots of ideas out there for these seminars...I colud list a hundred myself if I really thought about it...

a couple of things comes to mind for me anyways...

1) a definite schedule of these events ...better if known in advance

2) can we incorporate some of these into the projects that we are pursuing,either as a group or on an individuals project if they elect to do so..

3) for those that we can....perform these seminars in an area where they can be better seen when attended by more than 15-20 people...or do several of each and limit the number attending...I now that a lot of people were looking over shoulders and not really experincing all that was being demonstrated at times...

I don't know how or what I could contibute myself,but there has to some folks who can do metalshaping 101 a time or two and give Kerry a little break!!! 8-10 days at 2-3 hrs per day...no wander her couldn't talk by Saturday...:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am sure there are more thoughts out there...lets keep them coming!!!! http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Avalonjr]

I don't have the best hearing. Come to think of it I don't see too well and my mother tells me I ain't too bright, but that is beside my point. :)

I had trouble hearing most of the seminars. Kerry's voice aside, with projects being worked on during the seminars, I found it extremely difficult to hear what was being said.

I'm thinking that with all the gear that we carry with us... digital cameras, movie cameras, laptops etc, it should be fairly easy to pull together a cheap TV, a pair of speakers and a digital movie camera for each demonstration.

Assign someone to the camera for the duration of the seminar and strap either a lapel microphone on the presenter or use a shotgun microphone. The seminars could be taped for later use, DVD's cut, streaming posts to the site etc., but during the presentation, the voice could be amplified to any level required and the visual part of the presentation would be visible on the TV. This would allow for some real closeups of the area discussed, making it easier to see the view the presenter had in mind.

Any Sony VAIO computer comes equipped for video processing which is pretty hand free. It would be possible to have a DVD cut of each presentation within a day and available for viewing in the office on the projection screen for those who missed the seminar or wanted a review.

That pretty much addresses the seeing and hearing problems. Now I have to talk to mama :) Just kidding, but what do you think?

[Boogiemanz1]

There will definatly be a different public address system next year. We were told that the fairgrounds system would be adequate, but I guess that they had never experienced the noise level of a MetalMeet.

There is supposed to be a portable microphone system procured prior to next years meet. I also have a 300 watt 13 channel mixing board and a set of Klipsh studio monitors if we need a little extra....

Having a public address system that can be heard will make a difference in people knowing about the seminars also. Perhaps every two hours the days agenda can be announced. Should help Roger also.

The seminars will be held in the cattle auction area next year which will give everyone a better view of what is going on.

These are among the things we put on our "to do" list after reading the suggestions. That suggestion can is the best way for us to get feedback...................john

[gator 1]

45 days prior to MM5 i posted a request for anyone who had the equipment and knowlage to tape the seminars to post so we could work out the arangements. No one answered up. Dont know if it was to short of time or no one was comming to MM5 with this kind of equipment. But we have a year now to get things together and come up with a plan. We now know that the fairgrounds pa system will not work for us.

This is where donations or sponcers of some sort may come into play. Going into the fairgrounds blind was hard but i think we came out ok. We know what we need and now we can form the group to get er done.

The board of directors will have there hands full trying to top MM5 but thats what goals are for...Gator

[Boogiemanz1]

Gator, it is just hard for people to commit to something a year in advance. Lets see how the video of Kerry's seminar turns out. There may be a local person that does that sort of thing. I know my brother and his son shoot weddings and insurance videos. There may be someone like that in Oblong. Definatly something to keep on top of.............john

[Hairy-Neil]

Here's another one. How about if we had a seminar on the English language? Some of them fellers from the South, I have a hard time understanding. Some of them fellers from unmentioned states in the Northeast, I have an equally hard time understanding. Perhaps we could find a common language we could all understand. What do you think of that idea, EH? John V.O.

We don't even manage to speak it uniformly in England so what chance does it give you guys thousands of miles away?

[Hairy-Neil]

Also could do a set of lessons on reciprocating machine fabricating.......

I could do with some of that as I've just brought this:- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=92083&item=7553584147

http://i13.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/24/46/30_2.JPG

Has a whole load of tooling with it too, much of which I can't work out the use for as yet. Will try to post a photo so those in the know can try to explain.

[Gene_Olson]

I could do with some of that as I've just brought this:-
http://i13.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/24/46/30_2.JPG


$550

Thief! :-o :p ;)

Congratulations.

Gene

[Hairy-Neil]

$550

Thief! :-o :p ;)

Congratulations.

Gene
Thanks. :p That wasn't the end of it though, it cost me half as much again to get it transported home and craned into my workshop.

JonD reckons the tooling with it was worth the money on its own. :grin:

[Richard K]

Congrats on the new machine!

I'd sure like to help out. So if you send me all the tooling, I'll sort it out and get rid of the stuff you dont need.

Looking forward to seeing photos. Thanks in advance for sharing the find.

[Dutch Comstock]

Hi Hairy-Neil, Let me know what size you bought and pictures of the tooling. I will help you throuogh there uses and how to custom build your own tooling.Most of the tooling has to be custom made anyway, Dutch

[John Jordan]

Here's another one. How about if we had a seminar on the English language? Some of them fellers from the South, I have a hard time understanding. Some of them fellers from unmentioned states in the Northeast, I have an equally hard time understanding. Perhaps we could find a common language we could all understand. What do you think of that idea, EH? John V.O.

I thought after rooming with me for two years you would start to catch on. How abooot that.:p

John

[Hairy-Neil]

Thanks for the kind offers, now what was that photobucket password again? :rolleyes:

[JonD]

Hi Neil,

Congrat on getting you pullmax home, create a new topic in the pullmax section and post some pictures. I've got the tooling photo's that Rodney sent to me that i came post when I get home if you want.

We'll have to hook up soon and compare max's.

regards

Jon

[Rick Belew]

Gator,
If anyone would be interested in a seminar on copper patina's, one of the guys I work with Kenny West is really good at applying different finishes. Kenny was at MM05 and we met some people that were doing some copper work. I am sure that if anyone was interested he would be glad to set up a seminar. He does a lot of that kind of finish at work and there are alot of different colors and techniques, green patina, brown patina, blackened,etc. There are other options for some other materials that could be talked about if anyone was interested.


Maybe you could post a list of seminars on the metalmeet site and ask for people to commit to hosting them and for others to help if needed. I think I saw that someone had said something about a schedule. I think some people like myself might plan their trip around the seminar schedule.


How about setting up a dedicated spot in one of the buildings for the seminars, that way anyone that was trying to work wouldn't get crowded out and the seminar wouldn't be interupted be someone trying to use a p-hammer.


Man I'm gett'n goose bumps think'n bout next year.

[Boogiemanz1]

Rick, as mentioned in a previous post, here are some updates for MM06........................

There will definatly be a different public address system next year. We were told that the fairgrounds system would be adequate, but I guess that they had never experienced the noise level of a MetalMeet.

There is supposed to be a portable microphone system procured prior to next years meet. I also have a 300 watt 13 channel mixing board and a set of Klipsh studio monitors if we need a little extra....

Having a public address system that can be heard will make a difference in people knowing about the seminars also. Perhaps every two hours the days agenda can be announced. Should help Roger also.

The seminars will be held in the cattle auction area next year which will give everyone a better view of what is going on.

These are among the things we put on our "to do" list after reading the suggestions. That suggestion can is the best way for us to get feedback...................john



Trying to organize the seminars this early is not going to work as too many things change in a years time. Suggesting seminars on this thread, or offering to give a seminar will give is a record of the people that want to be involved.

Our yearly meets offer so may things now, I can't wait to see the new things next year will bring!.............................john

[gator 1]

As boogiemanz said trying to list seminars this early and get instructors will be hard as things change. I wanted to start this thread while ideas are fresh and i am copping them into a different software so i can track them. When it gets closer to MM6 i wil start to set up the seminars.

One idea i had was to run seminars tuesday thru sunday. Example...If we have a total of 10 different seminars we will run like this

Day Seminar

Tuesday 1 thru 5
Wedensday 6 thru 10
Thursday 1 thru 5
Friday 6 thru 10
Saturday 1 thru 5
Sunday 6 thru 10

This way the person giving the demos are not commited every day and they can play also. This will cover the people who come early and the ones who come for the weekend. Maybe this will save some voices. We will also move the times of the seminars around so seminar 1 is at 10 am on tuesday, it will be at 2 pm on thursday, and 6 pm on saturday. This should also take in account of the night owls who dont show up till noon.

I will have more on this as we get closer but keep sending ideas so i can track them. Gator

[Avalonjr]

A seminar on Copper patina and flame coloring would be great.

Nevada (Pitman) had photos of his art which was flame colored. I never tried it (yet) but it looks great.

[Henrob Jim]

I like the way you are thinking on this Gator.
Sounds good to me.As boogiemanz said trying to list seminars this early and get instructors will be hard as things change. I wanted to start this thread while ideas are fresh and i am copping them into a different software so i can track them. When it gets closer to MM6 i wil start to set up the seminars.

One idea i had was to run seminars tuesday thru sunday. Example...If we have a total of 10 different seminars we will run like this

Day Seminar

Tuesday 1 thru 5
Wedensday 6 thru 10
Thursday 1 thru 5
Friday 6 thru 10
Saturday 1 thru 5
Sunday 6 thru 10

This way the person giving the demos are not commited every day and they can play also. This will cover the people who come early and the ones who come for the weekend. Maybe this will save some voices. We will also move the times of the seminars around so seminar 1 is at 10 am on tuesday, it will be at 2 pm on thursday, and 6 pm on saturday. This should also take in account of the night owls who dont show up till noon.

I will have more on this as we get closer but keep sending ideas so i can track them. Gator

[Rick Belew]

Gator,

You guys are right, too early to set details for the seminars, just get the general ideas. I was thinking that same thing while I was typing that last post but it was late and my thought didn't make it from brain to fingers. I wasn't sure I was even going to be able to come till about 2 months before MM05.

Bought upper wheel and lower set of anvils yesterday off e-bay from Joe at Hoosier, now just have to find time to build the rest of an e-wheel.

I like the rotating days idea for the seminars.
Rick

[Steve Hamilton]

Hey Boogieman

Looks like we have a lot of great ideas in this thread also. Maybe we have enough input to slect the topics & move ahead.


I see another member also suggested that we have a schedule of the seminars available ahead of time so that people can plan to be at them.


John call me if you want help setting up the seminars

Steve Hamilton 920 924-9000

[Boogiemanz1]

Steve I have been super busy and had one computer die. I'm trying to get the rest of the stuff together, and the e-mails and PM's along with the relevant posts. Thanks for digging this one up, I'll try to have a list of seminars and presenters that have agreed to help by early next week...right now we have more requested seminars than we have people signed up to come!......we still have time. I appreciate your help Steve, and be counting on you !.....john

[Steve Hamilton]

Hi John

I hope you didn't take offense at my posts. After rereading them I may have implied that you were not getting the job done. In fact what I was thinking was that there has been ample time for members to list topics of interest, and that we should move on to the next step.

I'll be glad to help out where ever needed, just let me know what & when.


Steve Hamilton

[Boogiemanz1]

No offence taken Steve, and I willbe counting on you. I heard several good comments on your seminars last year........john

[nosire]

Gator

how about shrinking with a torch
also I think this was mentioned but just in case reading a panel to know what to do SHRINK or STRECH