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04-30-2004, 10:28 AM
This is not really a metalshaping question, but it is related.
I am working on a 69 Chev pick-up that was in another bodyshop for a couple of years. Parts of it had been stripped to bare metal and left that way. It was inside most of the time so it was mostly just lightly rusted. I buzzed it with 150 grit which cleaned it up fairly well. There are tiny pits here and there, and the paint rep suggested using Rust Mort to treat the areas. Have any of you used this product. It's been around for years, and I happen to have some, but I've never used it.
04-30-2004, 10:44 AM
Rust Mort will work, but I think naval jelly would be better. Do an area about 2'x2'. Use a 000 steel wool pad and apply enough naval jelly to do that size area. Doing larger areas will dry too quickly. scrub the area good, let it stand for acouple minutes, scrub it again and wash wth warm soapy water. Dry immediately. You should not have a film on it, but only nice clean metal.
04-30-2004, 10:15 PM
I am new to this site, but I have been in the collision business for about twenty-five years. I now teach automotive refinishing at Tulsa Tech. you have a common problem :( . The naval jelly works but another route is using metal conditioner to clean the metal with water to neutralize the acid then dry imedeatly followed by application of an epoxy primer wich will waterproof your area you can then do bodywork on the primer without worry of rust. (Your metalwork should be finished before the primer application. Then primer needs to be scuffed with 120 grit to promote adhesion.)
Some Steel A Wheel And Don't Forget The Paint!
04-30-2004, 10:30 PM
Brian, welcome to Metalmeet, I finally have another member from the same area. I live in Bixby. I trust you have cruised the site and enjoyed the gallery and all the forums? Great stuff there. Have you done much metalshaping? There is a wealth of information here that would be hard to beat, as well as folks that are more than happy to give you a helping hand with any questions that you may have.
Your experience can be used here as well. There are often paint questions. We have a bunch of bodymen and painters here also.
If I can answer any questions or help you with the site feel free to ask. We have regional metalmeets at different peoples shops, and an International metalmeet . The last International meet was at Randy's in Robinson Ill. Lots of fun and lots of learning...let us here from you...........john
05-01-2004, 03:34 PM
John, I have looked at this site several times and it is great the pictures really show how dedicated these folks are to forming metal. I have built many cars, both collision and restoration, but I haven't had the oportunity to form complete panels from scratch. I want to change that! Dad has a 35 chevy that is looking like a canidate for some forming.
My refinishing class wants to build an ewheel I don't think we have time left in this school year but you never know.
05-01-2004, 11:23 PM
Brian, we need to talk, E-mail me a number at Boogiemanz1@YAHOO.COM or call at 366.8628. I'd like to drop in on your class if I may and see how many folks are intrested in this sort of thing. I spoke to several younger guys at Stray Kats today at Dewey, and several were intrested in learning metalshaping. Not that I am a teacher, or at that level, but it is easier and more fun to learn together.
I gave them all the address of this site. We may have enough folks around to start a weekly or bi-weekly, or even monthly get together to share some info and skills locally. What do you think?
We have some other site members in this area, and around the city.........john
05-02-2004, 06:53 PM
John, I would love to have you visit the class. We should get people together and try to spread the word about metalmeet.
05-03-2004, 07:14 AM
Hey if the okies are gettin together then please let me know. :D
05-03-2004, 06:39 PM
No problem Chad. If we start getting together, maybe we can use different shops from time to time, or at least visit.
What is a good day for you? Do you work Saturdays?
Do you have your pullmax running yet?
05-04-2004, 07:01 AM
Weekends are good for me. Saturday or Sunday is fine. I will not be free during the month of June. We are expecting our first child around June 6. :D We are having a boy. I have the pullmax running. I also have an e wheel, planishing hammer and the air drill helve. How is your helve goin? I would like to switch mine over to electric.
05-04-2004, 08:42 PM
Chad, I have my hammer modified where it has quit self-destructing I think, now to slow it down.
I all of a sudden have gotten busy, but a weekend would be good for me also, I need to cal Brian..
Congratulations on the boy! Might as well start on the toys now.......john
05-22-2004, 10:48 AM
having been in the resto business for 20 years now i find the best way to remove rust is using one of two products (both of them seem to be the same thing), Oxy-Solv or a product called Miracle Rust Remover sold by Bill Hirsch.
search the web or look in any old car hobby magazine for a vendor selling it.
it not only disolves rust but will leave a treated surface that is ready for primer. both of them are skin-safe so you do not have to worry about hazards like acid etc.
05-22-2004, 03:31 PM
Another product that I've used with great sucess is from Aircraft Finishing Systems (www.aircraftfinishing.com) and it's their steel conversion. It's non hazardous and very easy to use.. can be sprayed or brushed, and works fantastic!! Well worth checking out!!
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